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The decision by American voters to send Donald Trump back to the White House continues to reverberate around the world. Canada’s biggest trading partner is about to become more insular, protectionist, and volatile. How do we, as polite Canadians, keep our economy strong, our inflation low, and stay off Trump’s radar?

In this week’s podcast, Michael Hainsworth talks to two former senior cabinet ministers with extensive knowledge of the Canada-US relationship: John Manley, who served under Liberal prime minister Jean Chrétien, and John Baird, who served under Conservative prime minister Stephen Harper. They discuss their reaction to Trump’s win, what Canada has to do to up its economic game, and how Canadian leaders should deal with Trump’s America.